JAY-Z talks infidelity, joint album with Beyoncé
Jay opened up about his infidelity, a personal topic he delved into on 4:44.
"The hardest thing is seeing pain on someone’s face that you caused, and then have to deal with yourself," he said during the interview with New York Times executive editor Dean Baquet.
Between 4:44 and Beyonce's Lemonade, "we were using our art almost like a therapy session," he said, revealing he was "really proud of the music she made, and she was really proud of the art I released."
Jay confirmed that he and Bey worked on a joint album together around the time Lemonade dropped and that they "still have a lot of that music" that is unreleased.
He also spoke of weathering storms in their relationship. "You know, most people walk away, and like divorce rate is like 50 percent or something ’cause most people can’t see themselves," he said.
The interview veered into talks of his mother's sexuality, which he raps about on the 4:44 track, "Smile."
Jay said he knew his mom was gay since he was a teenager, but said "we never spoke about it. Until, like, recently, now we start having these beautiful conversations, and just really getting to know each other... And then she was sharing that she was in love. She can be herself (now). She doesn't have to hide for her kids or feel like she's embarrassing her kids. It was a much different time then. (Now) she can just live her full life, her whole life, and be her."
Hova also discussed the current state of his sometimes contentious relationship with West, which he described as "complicated."
"I've always been like his big brother," Jay-Z said in the interview. "And we're both entertainers. It's always been like a little underlying competition with your big brother. And we both love and respect each other's art, too. So it's like, we both — everyone wants to be the greatest in the world."
Jay recently talked to West, saying that "there's genuine love there." And even though there's tension, "in the long relationship, you know, hopefully when we're 89 we look at this six months or whatever time and we laugh at that."